Thursday, June 07, 2007: Microsoft Corp. and LG Electronics have entered into a patent cross-licence agreement to further the development of the companies ’ current and future product lines. Through the agreement, LGE will be able to use Microsoft-patented innovations in its products, including Linux-based embedded devices.
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ringokamens
17 years 17 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago
Make LGs Phones Ring OFF THE HOOK! [...]
Make LGs Phones Ring OFF THE HOOK!
This
is ridiculous. Microsoft has provided no evidence that they have
patents and has been spewing lies that people need to pay up. Demand
that LG stop paying for Microsoft's patents and do not support them or
buy their products until they do so! And even better, make them pay
for the call:
(800) 243-0000
You can also email them a nastygram at
http://us.lge.com/support/contacts_gcsc.jsp
We need to stop the domino effect NOW if we want GNU/Linux to have a
future in the marketplace.
rek2
17 years 17 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago
Just so you know we work with the
Just so you know we work with the FSF in many issues check the badvista website and you will see our name all over
http://badvista.fsf.org/blog/activists-inform-vista-partygoers-in-boston
also:
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/1033
check the street protest.. so yes WE are supported and backed by the FSF, sorry that our activism ways are too grassroots left oriented for you. maybe you need to read more, FreeSoftware as a social movement upon anything...
we are taking real life values to the digital age.
look here at the top:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement
also read the dotcommunist manifesto:
http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/dcm.html
so far I have seen nobody from any groups we work with or ours burn anything or throw rocks to any window..
we do what any activist group does.. street protests,
calls, emails, talk to people in colleges/universities,
give fliers .... you may don't like this but this is what we do, sorry.
BTW: we are in the next FSF members magazine for the summer... read about us.
Jimbob
17 years 17 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago
Vote with your wallets people.
Vote with your wallets people. If you are buying a new machine, TV, DVD etc. then say NO to LG equipment. Let the store attendant know why (if you're feeling feisty). But please don't act like a child and phone or mail in abuse. This kind of behaviour really just makes you look stupid and possibly the rest of the free software movement too.
ringokamens
17 years 17 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago
What's wrong with calling the company
What's wrong with calling the company and telling them you won't be buying their products anymore because they've bent down to Microsoft and violated your trust?
Comrade Ringo Kamens
bluecheese
17 years 17 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago
Obviously, ringokamens, there is
Obviously, ringokamens, there is no problem with ringing up and telling them that you won't be purchasing their products and why in a mature fashion, but you did write "nastygram", which makes it sound a little unlike a mature fashion, and also, who are you gonna tell, the receptionist? I've worked for big companies that get lots of complaints and trust me, complaining to the receptionist does all of nothing.
ringokamens
17 years 17 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago
The reason I say nastygram is because
The reason I say nastygram is because they should be nastygrams. It is no secret that the GNU/Linux community is very supportive of its users and very upset about Microsoft's FUD. They should have known going into this deal that they would piss off the community. So we need to show them that we don't appreciate them turning their backs on us after all we've given them.
bluecheese
17 years 17 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago
Okay, well maybe we have different
Okay, well maybe we have different ideas of what "nasty" means... I am a huge advocate of GNU/Linux but that doesn't mean I want some person screaming obscenities down the phone to some employee who had nothing personal to do with the deal on my behalf thanks. In fact, "nasty" people are more likely to give the entire free software movement a bad name with the general population. There is a HUGE difference between ringing to express your disappointment and frustration about a deal, and being "nasty".
ringokamens
17 years 17 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago
I don't mean screaming obscenities
I don't mean screaming obscenities but I also wouldn't approve of a letter that says "I would really appreciate if you would break the patent deal". It would be must better to say "I am appalled that you would sign this deal with Microsoft and will continue to abstain from buying your products or the products of companies that associate you because you have broken my trust"
The best course of action however, is direct action. Let's take it to the streets and picket their offices. I would, but they're in South Korea.
activist
17 years 17 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago
protesting is protesting no matter
protesting is protesting no matter how you do it..
who cares how a movement looks to corporate America
Protesting the G8 or protesting LG is protesting.. we we need to protest..that is how it is like it or not.
Free Software is a social movement not a technical one..
we rather have 10.000 users for the ethics than 50.000 for technical aspect of it.. this is what makes us different than the open source community.
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
Jimbob
17 years 17 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago
"protesting is protesting no matter
"protesting is protesting no matter how you do it.."
You can call them both protesting but there is still a difference between protesting like a rabid, fanatical, extremist loony, and protesting like a level headed, clear thinking, civil, individual who still values freedom and community spirit.
"who cares how a movement looks to corporate America"
No one said anything about corporate America. I would like free software to be appealing to everybody not just angry extremist fanatics.
"Protesting the G8 or protesting LG is protesting.. we we need to protest..that is how it is like it or not."
It's how you protest that I'm not keen on. Shouting, swearing and jumping up and down is not the way to get what you want. It's what children do.
"Free Software is a social movement not a technical one.."
Free software is software. It's not a movement. The Free Software Movement promotes the use of free software, freedom in software and education in the use of free software. It does not promote shouting, swearing and jumping up and down. I have never heard RMS advocate your groups ideas of protesting. Aggressive activism is doomed to fail. It alienates the rest of the population from your cause.
"we rather have 10.000 users for the ethics than 50.000 for technical aspect of it.. this is what makes us different than the open source community."
And that is the way to lose your precious free software. Free software is made by the community. If you drive them away then there will be no developers and no more software. I would rather get everybody using free software and give them all the freedoms I think they deserve. Even if it means they don't know about the freedoms they will have until they've made the switch.
My suggestion to you is that you start looking for more effective ways to protest. Gandhi and the 911 bombers where both protesting about something; they are from too different extremes. I know which extreme I find more appealing.
rek2
17 years 17 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago
@jimbo, hmm you been complaining
@jimbo, hmm you been complaining about *everything* any of us is doing, no matter what, you complain, I was not making propaganda of my group with my response here, but instead replying to your accusations to activist and Ringo, for this I try to explain you what we do, that in in fact totally the contrary of what you were crying about, I also try to have some respect with you, in the other hand I have got none myself with your response, for this I am just going to ignore anything you say, because I notes you just like to complain and your opinions are not valid any more to me.
to keep going back and force is a waste of my time.
Have a good one.
Jimbob
17 years 17 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago
Look. I really don't think you
Look. I really don't think you should respond to me by telling me how great you are and how much good work you do or that you rub shoulders with celebrities of the FSF. You just keep coming across as trying to promote your own group.
If you only cared about promoting FS then you wouldn't constantly be talking about yourself and your group and what they do.
You are a drop in the ocean of the FS community. I am also a drop. But the difference between us is that I don't try to make out as though what I do is so important and everyone should look at me and visit my site.
I have nothing against protesting. I have made this clear already. There are many ways to protest. What
I object to is loud mouth activists who get in other people's faces and try to forcefeed them their brand of dogma food. I do object to the members of your group advocating people should ring and hassle call center staff or coming onto another website shouting and swearing about how people should do things their way or else. I mean, some of your members sound like they want to force people to live lives of freedom. That is not freedom. And making people outside our community think we're all loonies is not the way to win.
BTW, I don't think you understand left vs right if you think I object to being left-minded when I say I object to people protesting by shouting and swearing.
And please don't respond to me at all if you're only planning on using it as another opportunity to advertise your group.
Jimbob
17 years 17 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago
Look, my problem with you is that
Look, my problem with you is that you are pushing Binary Freedom in such a way that it makes it seem to me that you think your project is more important than free software. I'm sure you would disagree. But you have come to this site and promoted your own site constantly. There are many projects out there. There are many other sources of free software information too. I also saw you do this on FSM. I saw your forum entry go up in a place where it was completely irrelevant. And, despite the fact that your message was promoting a free software project, it appeared to me like you were spamming.
My problem with ringokamens began with foul language. There is no need to swear to make your point. It offends people and it is entirely unnecessary. His idea of protesting seems to involve being nasty and abusive at people just because they work for companies whose actions he disagrees with. I agree with him about the companies, I agree with him that protesting should happen, but I whole-heartedly disagree with the method of protesting he advocates.
The other members of your group irritate me (with the exception of mattflaschen) because they repeat what you say and promote your site as well. They, in fact, seem like they may simply be other accounts of your own, possibly used by you to vote and give you apparent support. However, it might be that they lack opinions and just follow your lead.
Matt is the only one of your group who, so far, has spoken with clarity and a rational, level head. I think you should follow his lead.
I am sure you all mean well. I am sure that you all whole-heartedly wish for free software to succeed. However, I think your approach could be a little more rational and your tempers could do with cooling. A little more thinking a little less action. Or at least a little more thought put into your actions and words.
I don't really want to argue with you and I don't mean to disrespect you. I just want the best for free software too. And I feel that it would be good for us to provide new/potential members of our community with a warm welcome and the impression that we are considerate well-behaved individuals.