I would love to see Open Office

I would love to see Open Office become competitive with MS Office, but at the present time, it just isn't there. It is not as intuitive and is harder to learn and maneuver around in than MS Office. It is also not able to interact with MS Office as its distributors would have you believe. I would be the first to dump MS Office if there were really a competitive product available for free OR for a reasonable price. Wake up OO.o, give us a product that we can create a document with and send to any office anywhere and know that they will be able to open the document and read it just as we wrote it whether they have MS Office, Open Office, or some other office suite.

Sorry but this isn't FUD at all.

Sorry but this isn't FUD at all. You can only come up with the usual M$suxx stuff besides the personal attacks.
Ooo is just not there -- even though it's a GREAT oipensource project and I wish them all the best.

@dehumanizer: That's funny, I don't

@dehumanizer: That's funny, I don't see anyone saying "the usual M$suxx stuff" nor do I see any "personal attacks". You really come out with some ridiculous statements sometimes.

@dehmuanizer: well it looks like

@dehmuanizer: well it looks like when you said " the usual M$suxx stuff" you meant "the truth" and when you said "personal attacks" you meant "the truth".

There is nothing "M$ suxx"-y about saying their formats are hard to interoperate with because they are closed. If anna had said "M$ suxx" what you said would have made sense... but as it happens you aren't making any sense.

And, if you take a look at john3347's stats you will see that he signed up on the day he made his comment and that's all he has done since - post one comment that was spreading FUD. So when anna said: "*if* you are going to sign up just to spread FUD don't waste your time" (emphasis mine) it was hardly a personal attack. IMO, that's exactly what he did - signed up just to spread fud.

You on the other hand, stick around and keep posting fud, complaints, and snide remarks and that's despite the fact that the community keeps modding you down. I have to admire your determination. But, despite all your complaining, you still haven't posted a single story.

You are the one in the minority

You are the one in the minority here by the looks of it seeing as you are the only one defending john3347 and you are getting modded down not me.

So why don't you prove how his signing up just to post his anti-OOo opinion isn't spreading FUD?

Why don't you prove how anna's response is actually "M$ suxx"-ish?

Why don't you prove how looking at someone's profile and drawing conclusions from the facts held within is actually a "personal attack"?

I was not attacking you personally.

I was not attacking you personally. I was pointing out that you had the minority opinion. And that perhaps you should be the one to prove your point.

The points you have made may be valid. (I have not personally used MS Office in some years so I wouldn't know. However, I do know that there is nothing wrong with OOo and I think the fact it is free software far outways any of the points you have made.) However, you still haven't responded to the questions I asked. Rattling off points about how MS Office is better than OOo does not answer any of my questions. So I will assume (for now) you don't have valid responses to my questions. You are making statements without backing them up and then avoiding the questions like a politician.

I asked 3 questions. My responses

I asked 3 questions. My responses to your responses follow:

1) I really didn't think I needed to prove the original comment was FUD... only because anna's already done that. And, it *is* anti-OOo but that in itself is not a problem. But here goes anyway:
a) "It is not as intuitive and is harder to learn and maneuver around in than MS Office." This is purely subjective and is only ever true for people who have gotten used to the MS way of doing things. It works the other way around too. I got used to OOo very quickly (and IME so do other people) and the last time I used MS Office it seemed very foreign. I have also seen many people in different forums complaining about MS Office's latest navigation system and that it is now bloated with useless features. So, in conclusion, it's an invalid point and it's perpetuating FUD.
b) The point about interoperability is not a problem on OOo's side. OOo uses ODF as it's the ONLY open standard available. OOXML is not an open standard - it contains MS exclusive proprietary elements and it's not a standard. This spreads FUD as it suggests that OOo is not trying to interoperate when it is. MS is the one not playing ball and when it does it plays dirty.
b) Saying "I would be the first to dump MS Office if there were really a competitive product available for free OR for a reasonable price" implicitly states that OOo is not competitive with MS Office, which it is. It is currently MS Office's number one competitor, offers all of the features that virtually every user will ever need, and is being chosen over MS Office by businesses and government depts all the time (as you will know if you read fsdaily).
c) "Wake up OO.o, give us a product that we can create a document with and send to any office anywhere and know that they will be able to open the document and read it just as we wrote it whether they have MS Office, Open Office, or some other office suite." FUD FUD FUD. First he suggests that OOo is asleep. Second, I could say the exact same thing about MS Office. You can't even open old MS Office files in newer versions of MS Office or vice-versa without having the problems he mentioned. OOo does a better job of interoperating with other Office suites than MS Office has ever done.

2) Your "proof" that anna's comment only "M$ suxx" and "personal attacks" is inadequate for the following reasons:
a) OOXML is not an open format because... wait, I'm not going to repeat myself.
b) I don't understand the relevance of your point about Apple but... MS bought shares in Apple and has ported Office to OS X. So I'm not surprised it works for Apple. But, like I said, who cares? We're not talking about Apple. We're talking about OOo.
c) Sun has nowhere near the funding that MS currently has and probably never will.

AFAIC, "You can only come up with the usual M$suxx stuff besides the personal attacks." is completely erroneous. There was no personal attack and there was nothing "M$ suxx" about it.

3) You didn't answer my question. You didn't offer any argument as to why it is a "personal attack" to look at someone's profile and to draw conclusions from the facts that it holds. Instead, you went off on a tangent talking about how it is easier to make personal attacks. As for the "personal attacks" you claim I made against you:
a) you *weren't* making any sense... at least to me. But others modded you down so maybe I wasn't the only one.
b) around 40% of your comments *have* been fud, complaints, snide remarks or a combination of the three. I had a look.
c) *you are* apparently in the minority here. I am not getting modded down. You are. Facts.
d) you are *still* making statements without backing them up.

And then on to you quoting me:
a & b) the points you made that I was referring to in these quotes, where you compared OOo and MS Office may indeed be valid. And I wouldn't know. I have not compared OOo to MS Office for a long time. That should go to OOo's credit. I'm a writer and I haven't needed to use Office in a long time. I don't need to buy and install Windows or buy a Mac and buy and install MS Office just so I can compare the two. No OOo came preinstalled with my free operating system. I never asserted that OOo has no faults. I have only tried to point out that john3347's comments are FUD and anna's are not "M$ suxx" and "personal attacks". However, I do think that comparing the two suites but only listing OOo's faults is akin to FUD and that's what you did. Why don't you point out its good points too. For example:
* it uses open standards by default
* it is free as freedom (this actually gives it a bucket load of good points, which I don't think I need to list)
c) Yes I do think the last point you quoted me on is a great argument. Thanks. :)

Now I've fed the troll enough for one day so I will leave you to it.